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Edward
J. Williams,
one of the Chicago area's most senior Black bank executives,
talked with diversityinbusiness.com about his
early life, his college years and his time in
banking. |
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Part
3: Life
Before Banking |
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GS: |
Ed,
tell me about life before banking. |
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EW: |
I
was born on the third floor of 4720 S.
Prairie, on Chicago’s South Side.
Lang’s Bar-B-Q was located
in the basement, and as a result, I’m
still a barbeque fanatic!
I attended Tilden Tech, and
after two years there, I transferred to
Englewood
High School. After graduation from
Englewood, I decided to attend Clark
College in Atlanta. |
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GS: |
Did
college lead you to a career? |
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EW: |
I
had a scholarship to Clark and although I didn’t finish there,
it was a great place.
I later earned my undergraduate
degree at Roosevelt University in Chicago.
An alum from Clark, who had helped me
get the scholarship, was the owner of a
newspaper business where I had worked during
grammar school and high school.
I
came back to Chicago and this alum helped me buy a
newspaper franchise on the West Side.
I was able to get this business
because they were unable to find anyone else
to take it.
It was the West Side
at its low point.
The Chicago Tribune was
desperate to get someone to handle the
franchise and they guaranteed my note
because I was under 21 and not old enough to
buy the franchise. I had to borrow $6,000 to
buy the franchise, which normally would have
been worth $75-80,000.
I
had 25 young men working for me and it was
good working with them.
I learned a lot.
Many of these young men had to share
the money earned to support their families,
but it was hard on me because my employees
were always getting robbed.
In those days, you collected money
weekly, because when customers got over
three weeks behind, you had to cut them off.
My brother and I would get up at
3 a.m., work all morning, and then go back in the
afternoon to ride shotgun for the carriers
collecting money.
I
got out of the newspaper business because I
was worrying about the safety of my
employees. What really got to me was
what happened to a young man
who was a double amputee.
He had one of the largest routes and
it was hard on him.
Rain or shine, he was always there,
he was never late.
He was also the best collector.
He made the most money and I tried to
help him as much as I could.
Some guy tried to rob him.
He got hurt, and he had to be
hospitalized.
At
that time, I was in my twenties and I was
getting gray hair.
It was a hard life, because the paper
comes out 365 days a year and you had to be
there and work every day of the year.
My brother was there to help me, but
still, you didn’t get a vacation.
You didn’t sleep late.
Eventually, I got out of the
business.
The Tribune divided up the
business among some of the families that
live in the community.
We had built the circulation up to
triple what it was when we bought the
business.
After the sale, I took a month or so
to get myself together, and then I began to
look for a job. |
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Part
4: Life
at Harris Bank |
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GS: |
How
did you end up at Harris? |
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EW: |
Someone
told me that Supreme Life Insurance
was hiring people and I went down there to
meet with the chairman, Earl B. Dickerson
who was quite a legend, having been
Chicago’s first black democratic alderman,
an accomplished attorney, and prominent
businessman.
I took the test at Supreme Life, and
Mr. Dickerson told me that I had scored the
highest of anyone that had taken the test.
Unfortunately, they didn’t have any
openings at that time; but one of the
thrifts that Supreme Life worked with had
told Mr. Dickerson that they would like to
hire a Negro.
He told me to go downtown, talk to
the person at the thrift, and tell him that
he sent me.
I took the test there and they called
me back and said that I had done very well.
While everything looked fine, the
thrift told me that they “wanted to hire
someone more typical.” |
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GS: |
Which
was code for what? |
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EW: |
They
wanted someone dark skinned.
They wanted to be able to put someone
down on the first floor that everyone could
see, know that they were Negro, and allow
the thrift to take credit for making the
hire. So
they turned me down.
I
started filling out applications downtown at
other financial institutions, and ultimately
I ended up at Harris Bank as a teller.
I was the first Black male hired at
Harris.
There were two Black females here
when I joined the bank, one was a cleaning
lady and the other was a switchboard
operator.
It was a little raw at that time.
There wasn’t blatant racism at the
bank, but every once in a while you would
encounter it. |
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GS: |
How
did you gain additional responsibilities? |
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EW: |
Shortly
after starting in this position, we opened
up a new section of the bank that had four
tellers, but no teller supervisor.
We used to have to decide among
ourselves who was going to provide coverage
and I became the “self – appointed”
supervisor of this group.
Ultimately, I became the teller
supervisor.
From there I went to personal banking
rep and after a short time, I became
supervisor of the personal banking section.
I
was then asked to go to a new area that the
bank was formed to work with Black
entrepreneurs.
We worked with companies like Metropolitan
Sausage, Proctor & Gardner
Advertising, and people like Al
Boutte.
That portfolio grew and I was asked
to work with another person that had been
hired to be manager of this unit.
At the time, I didn’t have
commercial banking training, but it went
well. When
he moved on, I took over that section –
heading up a commercial banking unit, and
that is probably where things really began
to take off.
That’s not to say that things
weren’t going well, because for the first
18 years at the bank, I was doing something
different every 18 to 24 months. |
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GS: |
I
would imagine that back then, 1970 or 1971,
there were very few Blacks working in the
commercial banking areas of large financial
institutions. |
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EW: |
There
were very, very, very few.
There were people in similar
capacities, and they all started after I did
- Gene Armstrong at First National
Bank of Chicago, Ron Greer and Roland
Burris at Continental, Gerald
Hines at American National, and
that was it. Toussaint Hale came on
later. As
far as I know, I was the first in downtown
Chicago. |
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GS: |
How
long did you stay in commercial banking? |
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EW: |
I
did that for about five years.
Then I went back as the head of
retail banking.
I was also head of the mortgage area,
and what was then private banking.
I was in retail banking for 23-24
years in total.
I made Senior Vice President and
Group Head in 1980. |
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GS: |
What
other Blacks had made Senior Vice President
at major banks by that time? |
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EW: |
Nobody
in Chicago. Even across the country, as
far as I knew, there was no one.
I knew most of the senior Black
bankers in the country because of my
involvement with the National Banker’s
Association.
I
made Executive Vice President in 1991.
I was over retail banking at the
time. Shortly
after that, the bank was traumatized by its
first ever staff downsizing.
They wanted to do it differently from
other banks, and that was to do total
outplacement and to handle it internally.
I was asked to head up that effort.
I found space, hired staff, bought
equipment, etc.
This was tough for me because I
terminated 12 people one day, and then met
them at the front door for outplacement the
next day. |
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GS: |
Was
that when the term “right-sizing” was
coined? |
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EW: |
Yes.
Someone at Harris did that.
The newspapers here caught on to the
phrase.
People here were just traumatized by
the staff reductions because this is such a
close organization.
If you were right-sized, the bank
took really good care of you.
They wanted these people to land on
their feet and we were able to get 96% of
these people jobs.
I completed this assignment in about
2 years.
After that, I stayed in a staff
position that handled compliance, public
relations, communications, and government
affairs - a whole lot of stuff that no one
else wanted to do, but that I felt was
important. |
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GS: |
What
does your job entail now? |
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EW: |
Executive
Vice President, Community Affairs is my
current title.
It is probably the best job in the
bank. I’m
doing the things that I want to do, things
that I enjoy the most.
It allows me to be a corporate busy
body, help shape the company and the
policies of the company, where we are and
what we do. |
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GS: |
Your
comments have been most helpful.
Thank you for sharing your
thoughts with me and with the readers of diversityinbusiness.com. |
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